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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2010, 01:05:40 PM »

I liked my old Empire 108,it has a big conical type tip.It also had a big full sound but lack clarity and refinement of more modern type designs,but was fun to listen to.

and willbewill continues the fun with it smiley
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2010, 01:37:44 PM »

Glady, is a 0.7mil radius so big? shocked

its enormous !  tongue
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2010, 02:46:48 PM »

Glady, is a 0.7mil radius so big? shocked

 It looked big to me,I am use to micro line,.2 & .3 mil type units.  cheesy
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2010, 02:54:17 PM »

and willbewill continues the fun with it smiley


 Hi Malcolm,glad you like it.I guess you got an L70 tonearm fixed up?BTW seems this old Empire is still well iliked by some old timers.I seen em sell for close to $200.00 on ebay already.Okay I know this is an Nagaoka thread.I am off topic here.  tongue
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2011, 06:26:04 PM »



 At least with a proper alignment you get what you pay for...  lipsrsealed  lipsrsealed  lipsrsealed

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« Reply #35 on: June 23, 2011, 05:00:20 PM »

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At least with a proper alignment you get what you pay for...

Absoultely. And this is not such an easy task mainly because it's so difficult to see what you're doing. I'm working on this for myself right now. I use sighting aids, and something happened to the tools that I made for this a while back. I think that I just used them once too often and they broke.

So, I'm making a new set of alignment tools and this, in itself, has been a slog. I've covered this in my book with my method for aligning Stanton and Pickering cartridges, and decided that I will add more information in the free update that's going out to people who have already purchased my Handbook.

Alignment won't be correct if the aligner cannot see what he is doing! When you consider the geometry vs. the size of the high-frequency groove wiggles, the mind may begin to be boggled by wonder and contradicitions. And I have found that most cartridges have not been made to facilitate this procedure. So, I had to come up with a different way to perform the task. And, in fact, different alignment tools for different cartridges.

I'm not going to say that my own method is better than the standard ones. I just think that it's more hopeful. Unfortunately, the only way to do this with the greatest perfection is by observing the ellipsed diamond edges relative to a straight line out from the spindle's center point. And exactly how are we going to go about carrying out this work? And with a radial arm, you'll only get this dead-on at two points along the arm's arc. Bummer.

Hans, I was surprised to see you mention a Stanton 500 in this thread about these refined, lofty products! This series is just not in the same league. Yet, the 500s (which date from the early 60s and are still being made) are enjoyable cartridges. In a lower-end product of this type, we can't expect the same degree of quality control and stylus finish as we can obtain with more expensive products. Yet, I've found that the cartridge bodies have tended to be quite decent and the original styli attain good polish simply through use.

Someone a bit earlier mentioned that he has enjoyed one of the earliest Empire cartridges. We have had our devotees to the Shure M3 and very early Ortofons (and I'm probably leaving out one or two others). What's at play here is that by comparison with the newer and higher-technology cartridges (and especially their styli), these old cartridges, in comparison, deliver a restricted frequency range (regardless of Empire's wild claims). When we restrict this range, we also limit unwanted noise that's often outside the bandwidth of the musical information. Thus, limiting the range can produce very substantial musical benefits when playing older records, records that are damaged, and other real-world records.

Most records are not perfect. I have my own outstanding audiophile-grade high-performance cartridges, too.  But I've been quite fascinated by this musical-audio reality of "less is more" since I started taking the concept seriously. Most of the records of music that I want to listen to are not perfect.  Reproducing those rare perfect recordings with excellence is fairly easy. It's all the other ones, the ones with the great performances, that present the real challenges. For music is what it's really about.
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« Reply #36 on: June 23, 2011, 06:47:24 PM »




Hans, I was surprised to see you mention a Stanton 500 in this thread about these refined, lofty products!



Oh my goodness, did I? shocked

Still playing with the Nagaoka red mono stylus in a MP-30 body, assembled on a 14" Clearaudio Unify one pivot.
Great big sound even on the one channel I have in use at the moment.

p.s. But still my hobby-horse : better use a wel assembled cheap cart then a wrong mounted pricy excotic one. wink
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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2011, 05:24:10 PM »

David, Jean you are the Nagaoka experts here.

Please, who can tell me the difference between the Black MP-500  and the White MP-50 stylus.
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2011, 05:32:34 PM »

David, Jean you are the Nagaoka experts here.

Please, who can tell me the difference between the Black MP-500  and the White MP-50 stylus.

Not sure there is ...... Roll Eyes In fact when I rolled my stylus with Piero's lower model Nagaoka we got quiet a surprise  grin
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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2011, 05:39:48 PM »

Not sure there is ...... Roll Eyes In fact when I rolled my stylus with Piero's lower model Nagaoka we got quiet a surprise  grin

Did you roll carts or styli?

And please surprise us with your "meaty" experience. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #40 on: April 24, 2014, 06:04:47 PM »

I have a few questions on this cart, if there's still someone out there reading this topic.

I've been playing the MP500 now for a little while and am getting used to the sound. What I've found is that the dynamics are huge and the soundstage is big. The highs are sweet and non-fatiguing even at high volumes. Bass is pretty pronounced and rhythmic. Separation between instruments very convincing. I feel it's very much rhythym section with this cart though. Missing something in the mids.. Hard to put my finger on it. Can it have to do with the arm, setup or the phono stage, or is it just a characteristic?

Got a Fidelity Research 54 on an L70 into a Slee Revelation.
Haven't done a good setup yet, waiting on a Geodisc tool and scale.

Also seems to pick up ticks and clicks a lot more than the Shure 44-7 cart it replaced.
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« Reply #41 on: April 24, 2014, 06:40:38 PM »

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I have a few questions on this cart, if there's still someone out there reading this topic.

Well, yes, Janne.

First, here's where I'm coming from. As you may know, I have had an interest in cartridges, and the classic Stanton products in particular. In the past, Stanton's combination of engineering features made their cartridges the most practical and sensible ones in the world. Some models became the favorites of knowledgeable audiophiles and professionals.

But Nagaoka has caught my attention at times over the years, too. I regard them as, perhaps, the "Stanton of today." They're serious about this business and I haven't noticed them playing toward that distasteful, misleading, snooty sector of the audiophile world.

Although I never saw them mentioning this, I've measured ground conductivity in Shure's needles. This has been a long-time Stanton feature which continuously drains static off the record and thus, suppresses clicks and pops caused by static discharge. Nagaoka may not provide this. I don't know.

One thing that I want to mention is the importance of correct capacitance loading. Have you ensured that you've applied the recommended load? Most audiophiles don't know anything about loading, which has a major effect upon the balance. We've had one or two good recent threads here about this, and I'm thinking of starting yet another one.
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« Reply #42 on: April 24, 2014, 06:42:35 PM »

Great cartridge with an advanced tip so will warrant careful setting up, definitely more than the M44 it replaced.

What vtf are you using?

Did you buy if new? If not stylus wear may come into play.
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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2014, 07:57:59 PM »


Haven't done a good setup yet, waiting on a Geodisc tool and scale.


Would you kindly tell me/us what kind of tool this is, and what it can do better than a template generator you can print out free of charge?
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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2014, 08:25:40 PM »

Mobile Fidelity Geo-Disc:



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