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« Reply #375 on: November 09, 2022, 07:25:11 PM »

For the STREAMERS amongst you, this is a worthwhile tweak.

I came across some You Tube videos extolling the virtue of optical cables....not the sort that plug into the back or your DAC. These are fibre optical cables used for networking that carry data signals hundreds of metres, apparently without signal degradation. The advantage of using them for audio is they act as a filter and cut out any RF, EMI or mains noise that might be picked up on your copper ethernet CAT cable going from your router to your streamer. I tend to use this rather than WiFi as its more reliable & I think sounds better.

Some people might power their router with a Linear Power supply, and I certainly could have gone down that route, although it still would not stop the ethernet cable from picking up various magnetic & radio waves in the atmosphere. Basically, the tweak consists of routing the CAT cable through a pair of Media converters to clean up the signal before entering the streamer.

Good video explaining procedure here:

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I got the Media Converters & cable from here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B091H1L1LL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07KXT86VY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Need to ensure the optical cable is SINGLE ENDED, and terminated with SC connectors.

I discovered  the 'clean' Media Converter needs to be powered by an LPS or power bank. The stock SMPS sounds awful. Then you will be rewarded with a cleaner. more open & detailed sound!

My set up looks like this now:






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« Reply #376 on: November 09, 2022, 08:00:56 PM »

This is a cost-effective upgrade. I power mine by a Power-bank powering both units via a splitter cable. If you stream via a Ethermet cable this is the way to go
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« Reply #377 on: November 09, 2022, 08:09:14 PM »

Great advice Vic
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« Reply #378 on: November 09, 2022, 10:23:46 PM »

Great advice Vic

Ditto that!  cool

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« Reply #379 on: November 28, 2022, 05:24:34 PM »

Wow Vic, I can't believe you haven't moved on from those Shape 50's, they must sound right.. Now that our winter has arrived in the states I'll be doing more listening, my system is in our basement which is nice and cozy temp wise in the winter, summer time it's like a wine cellar! I see that Sweetwater has the 50's on sale, may have to check them out? Currently using Jamo Concert 8's powered by Pass Labs Aleph 2's that are going on 30 years old and haven't been touched, as hot as these amps run I'm getting a little nervous about the caps and anything else inside them. I was thinking if I bought the Shapes I could send the Aleph 2 back to Pass Labs for a tune up.

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« Reply #380 on: November 28, 2022, 10:39:00 PM »

Hey Pete

I cant fault the Shape 50's. They do everything right....but not only that, I have not got bored with them!
Twisted my son's arm to get a pair....he hasn't looked back.

If you find a deal....dont hesitate. A match made in heaven for the subs!

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« Reply #381 on: November 28, 2022, 10:55:13 PM »

Hahaha! That has to be a record for you to still be using the same set of speakers for this long. If you don't mind me asking, where did your son find a pair at? Sweetwater has them for $650.00 ea. right now in the states..
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« Reply #382 on: November 29, 2022, 05:17:47 AM »

He got used from eBay $1000 pair
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« Reply #383 on: November 29, 2022, 01:39:15 PM »

Thanks for that Vic, I'll keep an eye out for some used ones. I read a few reviews on these speakers and a few have mentioned that the auto shut off is a pain in the A$$ if music is played at low levels, have you had any issues with this? Seems odd that there isn't a switch to turn off this feature.
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« Reply #384 on: June 24, 2023, 02:35:58 PM »

Been a while since I reported back here. Thought I would update this thread.

Very happy with the Focal Shape 50's, but I was tempted by many positive reports on the flagship Shape Twins. This doubles up on the midrange & houses them in a bigger box with a 2.5 configuration, so the upper driver is full range up to 2.5k, whereas the lower driver handles up to 180hz. So effectively both drivers a contributing to the upper bass, and it is very noticeable being cleaner, faster & more detailed. I was fortunate to find a damaged pair on eBay going cheap.



The other thing I did was a frame re-design. With the UM's now operating below 60hz, most of the subsonic energy was being wasted in the old suspended frames. Really, I wanted the subsonic frequencies to be felt, so the new frames directly couple to the floor.



The UM assemblies are now cradled in the frames by the magnets. Because there is significant force on the frame when the cones are moving back & forth, I introduced a clamp to lock the chassis to the frames (red arrows).
The other issue was I decided to use square section for the frame rather than round. The existing post supporting the Twins was round. The green arrow shows how I fitted a round post into a square hole using some short aluminium tubes.

The UMs are rock solid in the frames now and to fully couple the frames to the wooden floor I had to stick the feet down using some alien tape to stop them wandering....

I measured the floor effect to be active between 14-25hz. I would call the result 'seismic', especially with electronic music & adventure movies !
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« Reply #385 on: October 14, 2023, 07:30:26 AM »

I really thought I had reached end-game with this design until I was contacted by Jerome in France to show me his take with his 'minimalist' frames....



I was immediately struck by the simplicity & compactness of this design and set about to duplicate it.

To summarise the relevant speaker stands I had been through in my journey:

The original brief was to hang the clamshell woofer arrangement by the magnets hammock style, the rational being to reduce the vibrations getting into the frame & floor. It was quite effective in this regard.



I lived with this arrangement for years. Then when I replaced the Open Baffle top speakers for boxed bookshelf, I lowered the crossover point from 250hz to 60hz. I recently decided to couple to the floor using rigid stands. I used a 'cradle frame' arrangement for this which was an adaptation of my original wooden cradle frame:



but still using the metal scaffold arrangement:



This brought my wooden floor into play and became seismic with low bass frequencies, so much so I had to rebalance the bass volume by a couple of notches.

To create Jerome's design, I had to lose the metal frame completely and use the clamshell assembly itself as a stand to support the bookshelf speakers. I just needed to keeps the woofers stable on the floor below the chassis with a couple of footers, and incorporate a shelf above the chassis to mount the bookshelves to. I did this using some 40mm hardwood kitchen worktop cut to shape and bolted to the original holes in the chassis:



.....and final result:



Bass with this method was not as seismic as with the metal frames so I could increase bass by a notch. I think the balance with the floor is more controlled now. For those of you that may be concerned about vibrations getting through to the bookshelves, they are decoupled using these anti-vibration bobbins:



Luckily, the base of the Focal Shapes have M6 threaded inserts which these will fit right into.

The stand is very stable, but with all the floor coupled stand arrangements using the UM18's, the bases need to be stuck to the floor or they tend to wander. I just used some double sided carpet tape and this seems to be effective.

Very pleased with this final design which is stable, cheap & easy to make, plus pleasing on the eye. Thanks Jerome!
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« Reply #386 on: October 14, 2023, 09:00:38 AM »

Vic could you provide a link to those anti-vibration bobbins?

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« Reply #387 on: October 14, 2023, 09:41:40 AM »

Hi Ian

Plenty of sources if you Google Antivibrations bobbins.

Here's one:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353535224088?hash=item5250576918:g:GyAAAOSwAe5jJBxQ&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA8DdUIKHgtxcWYwd%2BZRAgIVESLfihHQ%2FYJTc7l2bwotOF6ZpDCOabNleY2ko9wV6fMiGX0vkpqik%2FYZfDW3TEX41S3JJBK7zRyX7Ef8Ve8jAsmubClvJiJVpYisrOBBPsPdUXgD4xNpo3yaUspDYTdON4b4vNZavzCKx%2FOjHbGQ%2FpYbW8PovzDer78Efd45CRwdCwCwGq7wVNG1y0%2B1R6feXlyDy%2FbWi%2BwzV5HORkMRQuy2zBT5OXUNuEnyz9ZNgEE0A84w%2B3B1Kcp8tesDE2aVQKv4pP5QZUkOvHUDq5RTnPLNVWChhcBVrmTSW9DCIZHg%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABFBMtN241eVi

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« Reply #388 on: October 14, 2023, 01:18:14 PM »

Good news, Vic! The optic looks good too! My better half would think differently but this isn’t a problem as I’ve found my happy spot where I am, a more conventional approach. Fwiw, I’ve found finest tuning of my subwoofer unbelievably effective, got it right how I like it.

Have fun!

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« Reply #389 on: October 14, 2023, 01:40:17 PM »

Hey John.....I wish it was my idea. Early on I did think of something similar for the base, but could not realize the speaker support on top still thinking in terms of a pole support, so I dismissed the concept.

Glad you are in a happy place with your system!

Integrating the subs.....I am still learning.... wink

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