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Author Topic: "Perfect Sound (NOT) Forever?"  (Read 1793 times)
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« on: September 04, 2010, 06:10:37 PM »

When the Compact Disc was announced, it was thought by many to be the greatest thing since Creation, sliced bread and the discovery of chocolate.  Conductor Herbert von Karajan proclaimed, "All else is gaslight."  Great for him, as he pressured his record company into paying him to re-record his repertoire for the new medium.

"Perfect Sound Forever" was one of the other slogans used to tout the Compact Disc.  But fairly quickly the "Perfect Sound" was challenged and found not to be so.  And not so quickly but nevertheless inexorably, the "Forever" has fallen on doubt.  

A currently-running thread on a classical music newsgroup concerns what looks to be corrosive destruction of the metallic layer in Compact Discs.  This is different from the already-known bronzing of that layer.  The visible manifestation is deteriorated spots, some black and opaque, ranging to patches that have gone clear and transparent, as though the metallic layer has completely decayed to where it's GONE.  



The effect seems to be worst on Compact Discs made in Europe by Philips (parent company of "Gaslight" Karajan's recording company Deutsche Grammophon).  The CD numbered 415 129-2 is a disc of Handel's music conducted by Trevor Pinnock on DG, issued in 1990.  Decca CDs, many of which were pressed by Philips in its European plants, also suffer.

I'm thinking the cause could be oxidation, from pinholes or thin spots in the lacquer coating that is supposed to "seal" the thin metallic layer from the air.

Meanwhile, conventional gramophone records, whether shellac 78s or vinyl LPs, continue to be playable, and will as long as the equipment to do so remains available and there are people like those here at Lenco Heaven who have faith in the format.  
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2010, 04:03:08 AM »

Great Post Gene, this is not just a warning to music lovers but anyone using digital medium. If you have saved your home movies on a DVD or wedding photos or any photos etc etc, be warn it will not last forever - so much for the compact disc !!!I gave everything backed up on harddisk and not just one !
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2010, 02:58:50 AM »

They've known about this phenomenon since the outset.  It's attributed to micro cracks in the outer layers allowing the aluminum substrate to oxidize.  At one point I heard a rumor they were projected to only last 10 years!   shocked
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2010, 03:12:23 AM »

They've known about this phenomenon since the outset.  It's attributed to micro cracks in the outer layers allowing the aluminum substrate to oxidize.  At one point I heard a rumor they were projected to only last 10 years!   shocked

Forever = 10 years.

Nobody told Herbert "Gaslight" von Karajan!
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« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2010, 03:17:22 AM »

Forever = 10 years.

Nobody told Herbert "Gaslight" von Karajan!

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2010, 05:53:33 PM »

I am always amused by the Karajan statement.  The day CD was introduced he already had the ears of a 75 year old.

That he was able to further enrich himself with additional anodyne recordings makes his comment perfectly understandable.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2010, 04:53:06 PM »

Well let's not be too rough with good old Herbert von Karajan.

I like CDs. I like CDs very much, but i like LP records even more. The digital audio system was/is a great breakthrough and i feel deep respect and admiration for Kees Immink and the others that made it possible.

You have to consider that such CD decay is part of the problems you will get when you have a young technology. Some DGG vinyl records from the early 50s have become into an amorphous blob of vinyl due to some weird decay too, at least some of them.

Yesterday i listened to a Bartok vinyl Record, it was part of the Philips "Digital Classics" series. The sound is awesome and crystal clear. Saying "digital is like this, analog is like that" is oversimplifying IMHO.
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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2010, 02:30:19 AM »

one of my favorite musical analogies:
Analog is like watching your kid going down a long rolling slide.
Digital is like kicking your kid down a long steep staircase.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2010, 03:16:33 AM »

 grin  i have quite a few thousand cd's laying around my office and home.  i don't really care what happens to them since my vinyl collection is more treasured anyway.  however as to date i haven't see any deterioration at all.  perhaps it is because i haven't looked very hard  laugh

i have all my cd's coated with a water based green paint called uniposca (from mitsubishi), somewhat like the original tweak cd stoplight pen.  i paint the edge with one coat and then i wax (the reading surface) with pledge.  it seals in the light and fills in the imperfections to cut down the refraction error.  i don't know how well it seals the cd from air oxidation, but it works for me  angel.  the cd effect is somewhat like a glass cd, but poor man style.



vinyl cannot be challenged, it is king  afro grin.  i assume karajan died a rich man   sleepy.
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2010, 08:45:10 PM »

I love green paint, Wesley and I agree on so many things.  Funny, though, sometimes it's better without, but not very often.
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