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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2024, 12:35:45 PM »

Thanks for that, mine is an old version of JRiver and it was set on 'direct', but I found Amanero WASAPI and selected it.  I think it has improved things but Miles Davis and John Lee Hooker still stand out on the 'headless player'..  I must try ripping some CDs to it and see.

Thanks Malcolm for Daphile , looks great. Must try it.
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2024, 01:38:24 PM »

Take a look at Daphile as well - I prefer it to Volumio


Thanks Malcolm
I bought in to audirvana studio a while back and I do like the sound quality. But the random play of JRiver gets a lot of use for background music- most eclectic!

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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2024, 03:46:20 PM »

And I use a Wiim Pro Plus as a Squeezelite client - that is I stream from Daphile to the Wiim.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2024, 05:03:16 PM »

I hang a hard drive with WAV files off the back of a Squeezebox Touch into SMSL su-8.All ripped from CD. Sounds OK to me and is no fatiguing. Got my first cd player in years recently a Denon DCD 860. However that is in another system and direct comparison would tell me nothing. I do find digital is for having music on while doing something else. That is me rather than an absolute difference between the  media.
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2024, 04:04:29 PM »

Streaming from laptop/phone directly using small Logitech Bluetooth Audio adapter. Adapter has classic separate power and analog RCA connectors to use it with pre/amplifier. Depending laptops/phones internal bluetooth transmitting power moving/placement is quite free and connection is automatic (on/off is done on laptop/phone) after pairing is once done. Sound is clean and near CD quality with some compression in transitions on digital path.



If laptops inbuilt bluetooth is short range it's possible connect modern Bluetooth usb-stick to one of usb-ports of laptop to get proper transmitting power for using longer distances.  Even near wifi-spot and mains leads (~1m) seems to not generate problems on sound.
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2024, 11:04:26 PM »

Is this the reason why some people like vintage CD players that have the slower DAC chips like the TDA1541 ? The slower chips leading to less read errors  undecided

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The sole function of the DAC is to do the signal reconstruction so the type has nothing to do with the error correction ability. Error correction is handled by a separate controller associated with the CD transport.  The original high performance readers from Philips started to disappear some decades ago as CD popularity waned in favour of other disc formats leading to a rise in multi-format players essentially using a computer drive and the jitter of the output data stream can be higher unless the designer deals with it in the DAC section which is why vintage CD players may be preferred. The TDA1541A -S2 Double Crown Selection was highly revered back in the day and likely what has contributed to the enthusiasm for traditional resistor ladder DACs due to the slightly lower sensitivity to clock jitter compared to low bit D-S converters.

Back in the day, one of the metrics was the error gap length and Philips transports were able to handle 3 to 4 mm gaps before an audible click. This is possible due to the way the data is coded on the disc.
One thing to point out as a key difference between an audio CD and a CD-ROM is the number of layers of error correction. The audio CD has 3 levels of error correction compared to a 4 levels in a CD-ROM.  Also, the audio data is not sequentially stored as PCM but scrambled. If you imagine an A4 sheet of text as being like the decoded audio and you were to punch a small hole in the disc, you don't get a single period of missing data but a series of smaller gaps within the sheet.  This is the result of the cross-interleaved Reed-Solomon code and the EFM (Eight to Fourteen modulation) combined with the checksum stored in the TOC.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2024, 11:24:13 PM »

Is this the reason why some people like vintage CD players that have the slower DAC chips like the TDA1541 ? The slower chips leading to less read errors  undecided

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Anwesh

Sorry Anwesh, I missed your question earlier.

In audio CD players, both new and old DACs need to be fed data at exactly the same rate which is 44.1 kHz for non-oversampling players and some multitude of that (typically 2x or 4x) for oversampling machines.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2024, 05:25:36 AM »

Thanks Pavel and Anthony  smiley

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